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Mon 10th      N-S     1st  Jeremy & Sally               58%       2nd    Lewis & Terry                  55%

                    E-W     1st   Janne & Hans V             61%       2nd    Alan & Bam Bam             59%

Wed 12th      N-S     1st  Janne &  Sally                64%       2nd    Lewis & Paul Q                63%

                    E-W     1st   Alan & Jean W               60%       2nd    Derek & Gerard               59%

Fri 14th         N-S     1st  Lewis & Paul Q              66%       2nd    Alain & Jean-Charles        55%

                    E-W     1st   Dave & Royd                 60%       2nd    Hans V & Sally                55%

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Bidding Quiz                    Standard American bidding is assumed unless otherwise stated.


Hand A           Hand B           With hand A partner opens 1NT, what do you bid?


AJ2               A63

Q987            985               With hand B RHO opens 1 and you choose to overcall 1.

K32              AQ1082       Partner bids 1NT, what do you bid?

753              A9


Hand C           Hand D           With Hand C partner opens 1NT what do you bid?


AKJ3            Q94                                     

KJ65            74                 With Hand D LHO opens 1 and partner bids 1. RHO   

KJ6               Q10765       doubles (promising ’s), what do you bid?

Q8               KQ7


Hand E            Hand F            (a)  What do you open with Hand E?

(b)  What do you open with Hand E if you play a 12-14 1NT?

A42              KQ10                                  

KJ7              QJ6              With hand F you would bid 2NT if partner opened 1.       

QJ64             653              But what happened is that LHO opened 1 and partner

A63              QJ62            overcalled 1, so what do you bid in this situation? Still 2NT?



The Club Championships

Here are the latest standings in the club competitions.



Gold Cup = Best 30

Silver Plate = Best 10

Bronze Medal = Best 5













1875.8 Hans Vikman

1843.8 Dave Cutler

1841.8 Sally Watson

1834.0 Lewis Berg

1816.0 Janne Roos

1799.2 Bob Pelletier

1782.5 Ivy Schlageter

1727.5 Jan v Koss


672.7 Hans Vikman

663.6 Sally Watson

661.8 Dave Cutler

661.1 Jeremy Watson

653.4 Lewis Berg

646.0 Lars Gustafsson

642.7 Ivy Schlageter

639.2 Janne Roos

636.9 Tomas Wikman

636.1 Bob Pelletier



347.2 Hans Vikman

342.3 Dave Cutler

341.1 Jeremy Watson

341.1 Sally Watson

337.1 Lars Gustafsson

335.8 Lewis Berg 

335.3 Ivy Schlageter

328.5 Derek & Gerard

327.4 Tomas Wikman

326.2 Bob Pelletier




Deduct a Point for the terrible 4333 type shape


A42              What did you open with this Hand E in this week’s Quiz? You should deduct

KJ7              a point for the totally flat 4333 type shape. So: 

QJ64            (a) open 1 if you play a strong NT

A63              (b)  open 1NT if you play a weak NT.


Where did this hand come from? The Christmas 2007 edition 86 of the UK’s BRIDGE.


There are three bidding panelists, here’s what they had to say (playing a weak NoTrump):


Sally Brock:          “If ever I was going to downgrade a 15-count then I would do so here (4333, no spot cards etc.)”

Julian Pottage:       “… at pairs (what we play at the Pattaya bridge club) I would open a weak 1NT.”

Bernard Magee:    “1NT. With a completely flat hand (4333) I generally take one point off and without a ten or nine in sight there is no reason not to. Hence I would downgrade the hand to 14 points and open a weak 1NT. Those who count losing tricks will notice that there are eight, which backs up the downgrading of the hand.”


So, pretty emphatic eh? – especially by Bernard Magee who simply repeats what Freddie North has previously stated in numerous lectures and magazines.

A note for Jean-Francois Fohrer. He made this blog entry “You have implied that Top English players would deduct ONE point for NT purposes when asked to show your evidences this is not at what they say… - NOBODY has ever mentioned ONE point.

So here is just some more evidence that I am correct and your statement blatantly untrue, OK Vincit?? North (in other publications) and Magee are both VERY emphatic about deducting ONE point, Pottage did so by implication.

Deny a 4-card major? – part 1                            Board 6 from Monday 3rd


Very ocassionally it works out OK to deny a 4 card major (and miss a 4-4 or better fit):


Dealer:             AJ2                                             Table A

East                  Q987                                          West          North(A)    East          South

E-W vul           K32                                           -                 -                 pass         1NT (1)

                        753                                            pass           3NT (2)     pass         pass (3)


Q843                  N             10965                  

105                 W    E          64                        Table B

AQJ97                S              84                        West          North         East          South

98                                      KQJ102               -                 -                 -               1    (1)

                        K7                                              pass           3              pass         4

AKJ32                                      all pass




Table A:     (1)  It’s up to you if you open these types of hand with 1 or 1NT. I prefer 1NT as then there’s never a rebid problem, and I hate problems.

                  (2)  What did you bid with this North hand A in this week’s quiz? There are some who argue that with a totally flat 4333 type hand and game values you should ignore Stayman. I would only do so with points to spare and the points outside the 4-card major. So my answer to question A is 2.

(3)   And so the 5-4! fit was missed.

Table B:     (1)  Most South’s chose 1 and then it’s impossible not to bid 4


And what happened? N-S at Table A have just one stop, but East has no entry provided South ducks the first round of ’s if one is led. What actually happened was that West led the 3 won by dummy’s J. A to the A and a to the K held and declarer then claimed his 10 tricks (3 ’s, 5 ’s, 1 and 1 ). A lucky top for N-S as everybody else was in ’s making the same 10 tricks.

The bottom lines: -

-     Sometimes it works to deny a 4-card major, but usually only when you have the points outside the suit.


Deny a 4-card major? – part 2                            Board 12 from Monday 3rd


But when you have oodles of points it’s another story...


Dealer:             Q65                                            West          North         East          South

West                Q7                                              pass           1NT (1)      pass         4   (2)

N-S vul            A84                                            pass           4              pass         6NT (3)

AK652                                       all pass


107                     N             9842               (1)  It’s minimum with no tens or intermediates,

A1093            W    E          842                      but the 5-card suit makes it easily worth 1NT

107532               S              Q9                  (2)  This hand is good enough to bid the small slam,

109                                    J743                     he bid Gerber first in case partner had a

                        AKJ3                                          good 14 count, there could just be two aces

KJ65                                         missing.

KJ6                                But the point is, what did you bid with this South

Q8                                 hand C in this week’s quiz? Did you try Stayman first to look for a 4-4 major suit fit or just launch into slam mode? Most did not bid Stayman, there are so many points that a possible 4-4 fit is unlikely to generate a trick and it’s best to go for the extra ten at pairs scoring.


And what happened? North turned out to have the worst hand possible for South. But the slam is still about 65%; needing either ’s 3-3 or the finesse. Luckily the finesse worked. Five out of nine bid 6NT making. Two stopped in 4NT and one bid 7NT.

The bottom lines: -

-         With a combined 33+ and relatively flat hands it’s usually best to play in NoTrumps, especially at pairs scoring. With a 4-4 or fit there may be a better contract in 6/, but most of the time 6NT will also make and you will get a terrible score at pairs if both make.

-         At teams scoring it’s different of course, and a good (with honours) 4-4 fit is usually safer.



Dave’s Column                   Here is Dave’s input involving the play of the hand.


North               South                       You are North, declarer in 6 and East leads the Q.

-                   AK86                   Plan the play.

AQ1098       J                                                

A107532      Q986                                   

103              AK65                                        




Dave’s Column answer                      Board 25 from Wednesday 12th  


Dealer:             -                                                 West          North         East            South

North               AQ1098                                     -                 1              pass           1 

E-W vul           A107532                                    pass           2              pass           3

                        103                                            pass           3              pass           6

all pass

Q109543            N             J72                

7432             W      E          K65                East leads the Q, plan the play,

-                         S              KJ4                

742                                    QJ98             






This slam offers a different problem at duplicate than it does at rubber bridge. At duplicate, one must consider how many others will bid the slam and whether an overtrick will bring profit. At rubber bridge making the contract is the only consideration.

Anyway, we play duplicate. Most declarers won with dummy’s A and rejected the dramatic (and fatal) play of running the Q, aimed at pinning a singleton jack with East. Instead declarer led a low trump from dummy and West discarded. North won his A and led another trump to East’s K and when East led his J declarer has severe problems. He has 4 top black suit winners , 4 trump winners and the A and a ruff, totalling jus 11 tricks. For a twelfth he must risk the finesse. If he finesses against West he loses, if he takes a ruffing finesse against East he wins. It’s a toss-up.

A good rubber bridge player takes a different view. He looks for the safest way to collect 12 winners.

At trick two he ruffs a low and leads a low trump towards dummy (a safety play against KJx in either hand). If East ducks then dummy inserts the 8 and holds the trick. After he cashes his A it’s now safe to cross-ruff for 12 sure winners.

If East takes his K at trick 3, North still prevails. He can manage two ruffs without fear of an over-ruff, and when nothing bad happens in the black suits he makes his slam.

And what happened at the Pattaya Bridge Club? 6NT-3, 6-1 three times, 5-1, 5*=, 6*= well done Tomas, but he was helped when East had previously doubled a bid by North for a lead and then doubled 6. So declarer knew which way to take the finesse and where the ’s were. There were the usual few spurious results.





Dave’s 2nd Column   Here is Dave’s 2nd input involving the play of the hand.


West                East                      You are East, declarer in 6, and South leads a low .

KJ4              A9                    You win in dummy and play the 9 and finesse, South

Q984            AJ1072            winning with the K. He leads another which you

K93              AJ1084            ruff, how should declarer continue?

AJ9              4


Dave’s 2nd Column answer              Board 26 from Wednesday 12th 


Dealer:             Q108632                                    West          North         East            South

North               53                                               -                 -                 1              pass

Love all            2                                                 2NT (1)      pass           3   (2)      pass

                        KQ76                                        4NT (3)      pass           5   (4)      pass

6              all pass

KJ4                    N             A9                 

Q984              W    E          AJ1072          (1)  Jacoby 2NT

K93                   S              AJ1084          (2)  singleton (or void)

AJ9                                    4                    (3)  RKCB

                        75                                         (4)  3 (or 0) keycards


Q765                     South leads a which dummy wins. West plays the 9 and

108532                  finesses, South winning with the K. South leads another which you ruff, how should declarer continue?


In an average game, East ruffs the second , draws trumps, and tries to guess the Q. But an expert is in no hurry to take a two-way finesse. He draws trumps and ruffs dummy’s last and next cashes the top ’s and ruffs a .

Declarer is hoping for information – and gets it when South discards on the third . Declarer then knows that North began with six ’s and two trumps. The suit is an unknown factor, but assuming that they split 5-4 then North can have no more than one . So declarer cashes the A and runs the J.


And what happened at the Pattaya Bridge Club? Three pairs bid to 6 and only one made it. Most others were in 4 or 5 making 11 or 12 tricks.

The bottom lines

-         If you have a two-way finesse, try to get a (partial) count of the hand and go with the odds.


When partner opens we all know the general basics – 1NT or a single raise = 6-9; jump raise or 2NT with +-11 etc. But when partner overcalls at the one level these responses are different. Remember, a 1-level overcall promises only about 8 points. Here are two examples from Wednesday.


Responding to partner’s overcall – part 1          Board 11 from Wednesday 12th 


Dealer:             842                                             Table A

South               1043                                           West          North         East          South

Love all            KJ9                                            -                 -                 -               pass (1)

                        10875                                        1              pass           2NT (2)    pass

3NT (3)      all pass

A63                    N             KQ10                  

985                 W    E          QJ6                     Table B

AQ1082             S              653                      West(B)     North         East(F)     South

A9                                      QJ62                    -                 -                 -               1   (1)

                        J975                                           1    (4)      pass           1NT (5)    pass

AK72                                        pass (6)      pass




Table A:     (1)  This South, as did most, decided to pass. Fine, so would I.

                  (2)  This 2NT response is the standard invitational +-11 points with no 4-card major.

(3)   And West has an easy accept.

Table B:     (1)  This South decided to open. It’s only 19 for the rule of 20 but with two 4-card majors and all of the points in the long suits I would not argue if you decided to open.

(4)   A robust overcall which is fine, the alternative is 1NT.

(5)   What did you bid with this East hand F in this week’s quiz? 1NT here is correct, it shows 10-12 opposite a 1-level overcall.

(6)   What did you bid with this West hand B in this week’s quiz? If you understand that partner’s 1NT is 10-12 then obviously you should bid 3NT.


And what happened? 5 out of 9 E-W’s bid to 3NT but four went -1 (because of the unlucky position). So 1NT at table B making +1 scored a lucky near top.

The bottom lines: -

-     1NT by advancer opposite a 1-level overcall is 10-12 (with a stop).


All of this, plus other No Trump bids and No Trump responses when partner overcalls at the one or two level, are explained on the website:

General Bridge Topics > Responding with No trumps to partner's overcall.

Responding to partner’s overcall – part 2          Board 20 from Wednesday 12th 


Dealer:             KJ103                                        Table A

West                KQ6                                           West(D)     North         East          South

Both vul            A42                                           pass           1             1            dbl   (1)

                        J98                                             3    (2)      3NT   (3)    4    (4)    pass

pass           dbl             all pass

Q94                    N             A8752                 

74                   W    E          AJ9                     Table B

Q10765              S              K9                       West(D)     North         East          South

KQ7                                  652                      pass           1             1            dbl   (1)

                        6                                                 2    (2)      all pass      





Table A:     (1)  promising 6+ points and 4+ ’s. With shortage in RHO’s suit and a 5-card suit this is clearly a good bid.

                  (2)  What did you bid with this West hand D in this week’s quiz? I understand that this West intended it as an invitational raise. I play that 2 (or 2) here as the invitational raise and 3 weak with long ’s. But that is not really the issue because the correct bid is that chosen at table B.

(3)   Ludicrous of course on a possible combined 20 count.

(4)   East should pass of course, but he thought that North had his bid (he is usually a sound bidder) and he thought that partner had a weak hand with 4+ ’s.

Table B:     (2)  This is the correct answer to question D.


And what happened? 4* went -2 for a joint bottom to E-W. 2 making by E-W was the popular result.

The bottom lines: -

-         When partner overcalls say 1, then with 6-9/10 and three card support raise to 2. Both 3 and 4 are pre-emptive and with a good raise to 3 or more cue bid the opponent’s suit, this allows the contract to stay at the two level should partner have a minimal 8 point or so overcall.


All of this is explained on the website:

Conventions > The Unassuming Cue Bid.


Bidding Quiz Answers


Hand A:    2, Stayman. I would like much better ’s before I decide not to look for a fit.

Hand B:     3NT. Partner’s 1NT is 10-12 with a stop and your hand warrants a shot at game.

Hand C:    6NT (or 4 if partner is in the habit of opening 1NT with a good 14 count). With so many points I would not look for a 4-4 major suit fit at pairs scoring.

Hand D:    2. Any invitational bid is an overbid and you do not have enough ’s for a pre-emptive 3 or 4.

Hand E:    (a)  1, it’s not good enough for a strong 1NT

(b)  1NT – deduct a point for the 4333 type shape.

Hand F:     1NT. Partner’s overcall could be a low as 7-8 points and so 1NT is quite sufficient. 1NT opposite a 1-level overcall shows 10-12 points and 2NT is 13-14.


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